aka Chad W Smith

  • I live in Saint Louis, Missouri, USA
  • I was born on February 7
  • My occupation is Designer
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  • Hi!

    Re-reading my statement, I can see the confusion; I was not saying that Landlord's Game was a derivative game; I meant that it was not an -opoly.

    Though thinking about it, the 1939 published version was tweaked a bit from the original, so that version might be a derivative game...

    At any rate, Triopoly is clearly a derived game that can be played as Monopoly in one of its modes; it does not make it an -opoly as defined here; a monopoly variant (i.e. plays pretty much like Monopoly... sometimes with "house rule" equivalents) that does not say "monopoly" on the box.

    Triopoly's added complexity goes far beyond that loose definition.

    I have to be AFK for a few hours, but will answer any questions when I return.

    Thanks for the edits, BTW!

    --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 16:57, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

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    • I'll give you that Triopoly can be both an -opoly and a derivative game.

      Understand where I'm coming from; we have basically three broad categories (not counting card games, video games and other such things): Monopoly Editions (i.e. they have "monopoly" in the title), -Opolies (these don't have monopoly in the title but still are essentially the same game) and Derivative Games, which may be based on either monopoly's gameplay (i.e. Careers) or iconography (i.e. Don't Go to Jail Game).

      Furthermore, we have the standard versions (UK and US) and Boardgame Variants.

      Clearly, we need a new category for Landlord's Game (Precursor Games, for example), which covers Magie's game as well as other similar games of the era (there is speculation that she simple refined a pre-existing game).

      Regarding Easy Money, while it may be nominally based on Magie's game, its design and gameplay were clearly influenced by the already successfully published Monopoly, with enough changes to try to skip copyright issues, so I have zero problem classifying it as derivative of monopoly and NOT as an opoly for the purposes of this wiki. After all; the idea is to make it easy to navigate and use.

      Regarding Ea$y Money; I expanded the mention to a section, to clarify MB's "idiot pill" moment for readers, hoping to avoid the confusion inherent in two different games of the same company sharing essentially the same name.

      Regarding the bookshelf editions link: regardless of how many separate editions, we most often do not pluralize the title of the article, for example; the St. Louis-opoly page covers both St. Louis-in-a-box and multiple editions of St. Louisopoly (BTW> you sure there is a non-hyphenated edition? every edition I have seen has a hyphen).

      I'm not "trying to undo" what anyone is doing; I see the need for a change and if I have time I do it because frankly, I might forget about it later. At no time am I trying to undermine anyone's work.

      For the record, since I'm already defining categories here, I'd like to clarify a point about Custom Works which came up recently (I really don't remember with who); Custom Works (i.e. unlicensed versions made by fans) are considered "Monopoly Editions" only for purposes of the Big List or category classification; by definition, they are Limited (sometimes to 0 or 1), so they are never listed as Limited. Also, regardless of what the custom maker calls it, it is never a "Collector's Edition" for purposes of categories.

      Finally, I'd like to share a trick with you; if you want to make a list of items and not bother with asterisks to make each item its own line (and don't want a space between each line, like in your games owned blog), use the:

      () = <>

      (poem)(/poem) command brackets.

      Works every time!

      --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 20:26, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

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    • Thanks for the clarification.

      Personally, I don't like the 3 tier categories.  I've talked about that before.  I know this is the Monopoly wiki, but if we are going to include non-Monopoly™ games, then I think a more descriptive and accurate title than "Opolies" should be used.  Exactly what that term should be, I don't know at the moment.  I understand the difficulty involved.

      As far as Easy Money specifically goes, when I look at the board, especially the early ones, but really all of them (not counting Ea$y Money, of course) I see Landlord's Game, or even Finance far more than I see Monopoly™.

      To me, the history is a big deal.  And using terms like "-opolies" and "Derivative games" makes it seem like they are all copies of the One-and-Only MONOPOLY™.  I realize that many of the ones made in the last 30 - 50 years may have been just that.  But not all.  Triopoly, for example, would have never existed without Monopoly.  I have no doubt about that.  It is, then, of course a derviative.  But, something like The Game of Boom or Bust (released by Parker Brothers) doesn't really fall into either category.  It was made by Parker Brothers, so it's not a clone of Monopoly, since they made Monopoly.  But it's also not a Monopoly Jr. or Advance to Boardwalk, because *none* of the iconic imagery or names from Monopoly were used, it doesn't even call the starting place "Go".  And, of course, the name has no "opoly" in it.  

      I think something less Monopoly™-centric like "Monopoly Editions" would be - of course, actual Monopoly™ games with "Monopoly" in the name.  Then "Property Games" or "Real Estate Games" or something like that for what we now call "opolies".  This would cover Pre and post non-Monopoly property trading games.  I'd even prefer "Other Property Games" to "Opolies".  I would also like to ditch "Derivatives" since that is a highly negative term.  If you call a type of art or any artist's work "Derivative" it's insulting.  I think makers of the games we call "Derivatives" would not like it very much.  I would include Triopoly and such as "Property Games" and Advance to Boardwalk and Don't Go to Jail - those would be "Monopoly Spin-offs".  And, while sharing on the subject, I would also like an "Add-ons" category, or something like that, for things like "Super Add-ons Version for Monopoly" or "Freemarket Monopoly" or "Stock Exchange" or even those "Free Parking" tilt games.

      Anyway, I'm not making demands or being upset or anything.  I am sorry that I whined about your "undoing" my edits.  I just think there is a clearer and less biased way of categorizing these things.  My suggestions might not be that way, or at least not the best way, but I think there is a way "out there".  Thank you for your replies and your help in understanding.

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  • Hi, welcome to Monopoly Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Tokens page.

    Please leave me a message if I can help with anything!

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    • Are "Monopoly Editions" and "Opolies" categories?

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    • Yup.

      • Category:Monopoly Editions
      • Category:Opoly
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